We should change the website bookmark icon to this.

Maakrindah
I really felt like this was the wrong flag for the job. It has a catchy design, but to me, it is just a cool drawing and not a flag. I was prepared to hang a Dovahzul flag outside my house, but if I use this design, people will think it's a demon instead of a Dragon and make undue assumptions. I really should have submitted the one I liked. I figured that since Paarthurnax said it wasn't what we were looking for, that the design wouldn't make it to the voting, but honestly I have no idea how the #1 and #2 flags made it to the finals. #3 was the only one that actually 'looks' like a flag, and #2 & #4 did not even follow the guidelines of the assignment. I am incredibly disappointed in this community and I have a difficult time taking this as seriously as I once did. While I mean no direct offense to the creators of the designs, I feel let down by the outcome of the vote. Flags are heavily symbolic, and to me the flag that won was simply a cool design, and did not convey the symbolism that a flag should. For instance, if this were a real flag, the circle surrounding the dragon head sillouette would have a specific meaning. If it were a runestone outline around the dragon head, it would have symbolism. This is just my opinion. I have no intention of hurting feelings. This is just a matter of the flashy overcoming that which has content. Again, this is just my opinion, and I mean no offense or insult.

While I do like this design (as you said) and I did vote for it. I agree with you that it probably shouldn't have won

Maakrindah

I actually agree with you...

Maakrindah
I really felt like this was the wrong flag for the job. It has a catchy design, but to me, it is just a cool drawing and not a flag. I was prepared to hang a Dovahzul flag outside my house, but if I use this design, people will think it's a demon instead of a Dragon and make undue assumptions. I really should have submitted the one I liked. I figured that since Paarthurnax said it wasn't what we were looking for, that the design wouldn't make it to the voting, but honestly I have no idea how the #1 and #2 flags made it to the finals. #3 was the only one that actually 'looks' like a flag, and #2 & #4 did not even follow the guidelines of the assignment. I am incredibly disappointed in this community and I have a difficult time taking this as seriously as I once did. While I mean no direct offense to the creators of the designs, I feel let down by the outcome of the vote. Flags are heavily symbolic, and to me the flag that won was simply a cool design, and did not convey the symbolism that a flag should. For instance, if this were a real flag, the circle surrounding the dragon head sillouette would have a specific meaning. If it were a runestone outline around the dragon head, it would have symbolism. This is just my opinion. I have no intention of hurting feelings. This is just a matter of the flashy overcoming that which has content. Again, this is just my opinion, and I mean no offense or insult.

I, as the creator of the fourth design, am terribly sorry if I have disappointed any of you, as I had no intention of such. I have tried many different concepts but this was far the best in my opinion. I have honestly tried sticking to the guidelines and have myself noticed that it may very well be too complicated to be used as a flag, so I created a simplified version of it too, but that, again, looked kind of silly. I just couldn't get it right.

This is, however exactly why we had a vote. I am happy that I have won, although I would not have anticipated that, given my own worries about the guidelines. As I have stated before, I did not mean to harm or disappoint any of you. I am by all means willing to rework it, or create entirely new designs, should the community require me to do so. I love the language, the people, and I have done this solely to do my fair share of contribution to the community.

When creating the design, I meant it to represent dragons, Thuum, and the community. For the dargon, I have tried wings, entire dragons, and have finally settled for a head. The wings were just too wide. For Thuum, I went with the most obvious one, a single letter. You are perfectly right about most of the things, but there is one thing you are mistaken about. The circle does have a meaning, and it is supposed to represent the community as a whole. It's a single entity with an infinite number of corners representing the incredible variety of people that are part of it.

Just like you, I mean no offense or disrespect. I'm here for the comminity, not the other way around, and I'm willing to do what's necessary to please at least most - if not all - members of it.

@skreborn I really appreciate your reply. The circle having meaning moderately changes my opinion. You described it beautifully.

Maakrindah

@skreborn I really appreciate your reply. The circle having meaning moderately changes my opinion. You described it beautifully.

And I really appreciate the criricism. One never* evolves if they don't see their own mistakes.  Glad I could provide some clarity though~

never*: Probably not true for Pokémon.

RadioactiveYeti

We should change the website bookmark icon to this.

Mm, I agree, that'd be fantastic :D 

I also think that I really want to make the flag into a button and pin it on to my jacket so I can represent part of this amazing community ^^

KiwiKatz

RadioactiveYeti

We should change the website bookmark icon to this.

Mm, I agree, that'd be fantastic :D 

 

I also think that I really want to make the flag into a button and pin it on to my jacket so I can represent part of this amazing community ^^

Need to produce some pins with the flag on it now :P

You are a more humble individual than I, and I have respect for you. Maakrindah
September 28, 2015

Maakrindah
@skreborn You are right. I very much appreciate your candor, humor, respect and community spirit. Regardless of design, I am glad that you won. Your qualities are admirable. Your words have helped me to better understand our new flag, and upon reflection, I would proudly fly this flag.

 

You are a more humble individual than I, and I have respect for you. Maakrindah
September 28, 2015

Thank you for your kind words. I for one am happy that you were the one to point out my mistakes, as you have done so in such a respectful way that not many could do. You have made fair arguments both for and against the finalist designs, and I really value that in someone - the ability to argue logically, not just throw words at the other in anger.

KiwiKatz

RadioactiveYeti

We should change the website bookmark icon to this.

Mm, I agree, that'd be fantastic :D 

 

I also think that I really want to make the flag into a button and pin it on to my jacket so I can represent part of this amazing community ^^

And for you guys, I'm more than happy to hear that you like the design. Should any of you actually create pins, buttons, flags, or huge banners for a plane to drag across the sky (although I admit that this may be just a tiny bit over the line), please share pictures of your creations!

Maakrindah
@skreborn I may make a patch for a leather vest (think biker's jacket). I don't really do the whole button thing, but if I get the patch made, I will definitely send photos and maybe an extra for you or others interested if plausible. (It's so weird to be talking about making a patch that isn't software-related...)

Well, when I first saw "patch" in that sentence I was wondering what bug you might be squashing. I would definitely love one of those. Even if just a picture of it. Be sure to keep me in the loop!

@Maakrindah @Skreborn You two are just part of an example of the reason I absolutely love this community

@Skreborn I'll start on it in a bit and post a picture or two when I finish ^^

\(•-• ) Nice work, skrecorn.